US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on? | To the Point
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Germany and China are strengthening ties, but the German chancellor’s high level, and high-stakes visit to Beijing will be a diplomatic and economic challenge.
Both countries can’t seem to get a grip on their economic woes. China is trying to export masses of subsidized goods to Europe and America. But that creates new problems.
The US, and its Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen are already threatening further tariffs and a trade war. Meanwhile, Germany is trying a new China strategy, which oscillates between cooperation and isolation.
On To the Point we ask: US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on?
Our guests:
Vendeline von Bredow is the Senior Germany correspondent for The Economist, based in Berlin.
Felix Lee is a journalist, a long-time correspondent in China and currently works for the specialist German news outlet China.Table.
and Matthew Karnitschnig is a journalist and correspondent with Politico here in Berlin.
Chapters
1:40: Both Germany and China face demographic challenges.
02:30: China is actively developing crucial technologies.
03:40: Will the U.S. decouple or de-risk?
05:00: Can Germany compete with China in future technologies?
06:30: “If Germans want to keep up, they must invest significantly.”
07:30: Europe isn’t behaving as a global power.
09:30: Analyzing Germany’s “China Strategy.”
10:10: Large German companies are unlikely to withdraw from China.
12:20: China’s message to smaller Western companies: “We no longer need you.”
12:50: China is not a free market and has never been one.
13:20: China’s products are flooding the world.
15:30: Germany has no choice but to engage with both China and the USA.
16:40: Is fair trade with China possible?
18:50: Will Trump increase pressure on China?
19:30: The U.S. maintains substantial trade volumes with China.
20:30: De-risking hasn’t been fully implemented by Germany yet.
22:30: China is already decoupling.
23:30: De-globalization is already underway.
23:55: Germany will face significant challenges.
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I live in Australia, our government used to pump in billion of our tax money to subsidize major car companies like GM, Ford etc, why ? Because our government thought it was worthwhile to keep the industry and keep the car industry competitive against cars imported from Japan and Europe, but interestingly we heard no complaints whatsoever about Japan or Europe car, and the media thought the exercise of subsidies were legitimate, no complaints at all. Now China boost the EV industry to get the country met the environment needs, improve air quality, but the Western world critical about it. What a double standards and hypocrite😮
China has many lesson of corruption after pump in too much , too fast money.
Now Beijing is very very careful .
Since Ford and Holden is gone, Australia doesn’t produce cars anymore.
Improving the environment and air quality alone is worthy of the subsidies. The problem is that China is doing it outstandingly. It also suffers many setbacks that the West enjoys. However, China's success is met with nothing but jealousy.
% of the cars produced are exported.
Germany: 75%
South Korea: 70%
Japan: 50%
China: 15%
U$ : China’s has overcapacity.
😆commitment ?
29-3-2024, Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years.
After two years, that program has only delivered seven open charging stations with a total of 38 spots where drivers can charge their vehicles, according to a spokesperson for the Federal Highway Administration. (The funding should be enough to build up to 20,000 charging spots or around 5,000 stations, according to analysis from the EV policy analyst group Atlas Public Policy.)
US maintain its economy due to its democracy? I thought it is the hegemony of military and US Dollar.
Yaaas indeed!
Let's get back to the essence of things, do you know, in 2023，automobile export data: Germany exported 75%, Korea 70%, Japan 50%, China only 15%
@@platocai8874but do you know the rate of chinese export has grown by 69% compare to the previous year?
@@satyaanakbali Of course I know, but do you know? Most of the cars exported by China are from the single market of Russia. Tchaikovsky and Russian cats have been sanctioned, not to mention cars. Therefore, Chinese cars are continuously exported to Russia.
@@satyaanakbali there is another reason, out of political necessity, many countries only report negative news about China, which leads to receiving news that is lagging many times, but the world is always updating, and when this continuous change accumulates to a certain point, it creates quantitative change, so you may wonder what is happening.
Lol which side is germany on , as if germany has any choice 😂😂😂
Germany is always side under belly of USA😅
Germany...colony. we lost the war
Good to know people know what’s going on.
@@mustafakhan6935And the Middle East and Africa are always sitting at the bottom of China and Russia’s toilet.
Germany is on the US side.
Do not worry
Germany always chooses the wrong path
🥲
😂😂😂😂
LOL...
😅😅😅😅
Now German leaders hate Germany.
Look, the US blew up Germany's gas pipelines. It's pretty clear who should Germany work with for its own interests.
You do not know who blew up the pipelines.
@James-lf4dp
Everyone knows who blew up the pipeline. Don't be obtuse.
@@XquizitRushdon't be juvenile
It sure isn’t China
The question is whether they have the guts.
I'm sorry the over-capacity argument I don't buy. Chinese EVs make up 5,2% of the global market and 94,8% are sold in the Chinese market. If this argument was serious then we would be arguing that Germany has a problem in over-capacity in its automotive sector because 13% is sold outside Germany. Why no one made this argument about Germany (and I would make the same argument about Japanese automotive sector). It sounds like people are saying that the Chinese must have enough capacity to only sell in China. But then that means there should be no trade. I don't think anyone wants that.
The only reason Chinese EV's only make up 5.2% of the global market is because they are currently vastly inferior to US and European EV's and people know it. Once the Chinese can produce an EV on par with a Tesla at half the price you will see many EV companies going bankrupt.
You're right, this argument doesn't withstand any criticism. It's even crafted in a way that most viewers will easily find it fair, 'as if for first graders.' After all, regular viewers don't know the market figures and data you've mentioned in your comment. Unfortunately, these double standards will remain a problem for a long time. But eventually, honest work will prevail. So, it's inevitable - over time, the truth will have to be acknowledged. They won't be able to enrich themselves at the expense of other nations as they did before. They'll have to work.
if China has EV overcapacity, then OPEC has oil overcapacity. The USA should demand that OPEC not flood the market with cheap oil!
耶伦老奶奶已经不是经济学家了，她已经变成一个政客了
@@ZweiZwolfcheap oil fine! China made, so crazy, lmao
Germany will choose the wrong side as it is runned by puppets
Gotta admit i see puppeteers on both sides. 😂
Yes that is my concern as well that many senior German politicians are being controlled by China. Money talks
Historically the side Germany joins will probably lose.
@@killuazoldyck4742one puppet destroys German industry, while the other promotes economic expansion. German conglomerates such as Siemens, BASF, and VW already made their choices clear.
Germany is property of the USA. Germany does NOT get to choose. Germany leaving the USA is like an abused wife leaving her husband. Germany's face, if not its life itself, will be rearranged by the USA.
While Chinese products are "artificially cheap", american products are artificially expensive, I'm looking at you apple
Hard to take you seriously when you can't spell, use basic punctuation, or even know what a sentence is. Do they not have sentences in China? Unbelievable.
@@anypercentdeathless You know English? That's incredible, I'm proud of you.
@@anypercentdeathless and you mastered how many languages?
Chinese products are structurally "cheap" due to extremely efficient infrastructure, automation, and logistics, along with low cost of labor. China's market socialist economy makes core energy, communications, and transportation a public good that is available on a cost plus basis, rather than as a profit center priced at what the market will bear.
@@danielbrown7534 *Well you obviously haven't even "mastered" BASIC ENGLISH........*
America dictates Germany. Which side is Germany on that is not a question at all.
Germany is doomed if takes sides with China. The West pissed their future away back in the 80's
与美国为敌不会死，与美国为盟则死无葬身之地。
Isn't Europe trying to decouple from everyone and make their own path as a "3rd option" between USA and China?
Evidence?
@@OliverBuschmann Nord Stream 2, enough said.
This is absurd. China is the main economic engine in the world. It is in Europe's interest to trade and to have good economic relations with China.
as a chinese, China never force u to choose between US or China
we are not US, this is not our style
u choose ur self to be Germany
That's laughable.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm sceptical. You do reverse engineer and steal tech. It's not all sunshine and rainbows in China either. A balanced approach is needed to both China and USA imo. Put your own people first - focus on your long-term goals. Germany looks very aimless under Sholtz, he's a terribly weak leader.
Yeah. Instead, you undermine countries until they submit to your bidding. We see though you Winnie the Pooh.
@@bsmithhammer keep urself laugh then
we are busy to improve ourselves
Germany should stand for herself and work for herself, not for american.
Good thing German economic ties with dictatorships have never come back to bite it. It means Germany doesn't have to give a second thought to dealing with them!
When German talk to stay side, they don't like US. When they need military and money support, they switch to friend of US. It is classic.
@@SpazzyMcGee1337 , dealing with who? If everyone isnt think like u and are agree with u then they are dictator, so what make they cant able to think like u and call u as a dictator when u arent agree with them.
@@tlll8590 , US aint everyone side. They are a selfish superpower as like as any others superpowers. Germany is their friend as long as german are useful to them.
@@walhdamaskus2408 I'm sorry, but which dictator to the East are you trying to defend right now? It's hard to keep track
When China produced all the toys and clothing for the whole world, no one complained about "over-capacity".
It's not like China takes it seriously from 2 years ago. They have worked hard for decades in so many area to bring them to the place now in so many industry fields. Autonmotive, AI, Space programs, mining, shipping, machinery, transportation.......
The moment I heard Economic decline was high level in China while low level in Germany made the show a joke.
the empire's tentacles has infiltrated most media. they shutdown RT, CGTN so you can't get another view.
Bot can't even give a timestamp in the video
@@JG-xi4tu 1:36 decline of economic GROWTH, china FROM a high level, germany FROM a lower level..
@@gwilhelmw Yeah exactly, thank you.
These bots get out of hand.
"The level of Economic decline in China is high & low level of economic decline in germany"
Is *not* at *all* the same statement as
"Both China and Germany suffer an economic slowdown, where China of course declines in rate from a higher initial level"
As they said, companies in China are not living under the normal market rules. Chinese government is heavily subsidizing many of the critical companies so it seems like they are doing strong even if they're not generating much or any profit at all. Under normal market economy rules those companies would've been bankrupt ages ago.
😂Germany has already made this choice years ago. Has not you made your ultimate sacrifice to serve your master? He busted your energy tube to detach you from Russia and turned you from a manufacturing power house into a vassal state. Oh, are u still investigating?
You can't wake up someone if he or she is pretending to be asleep. There are at least two kinds of Germans - (1) those who knows what is happening, but chose to take the "bribe" of personal gain in subscribing to the "revolving doors" (legacy of the Marshall Plan personal career infrastructure, where politicians in the West takes up lucrative post after their stint in the corridors of political power, (2) those who are challenged in critical thinking skills, thus susceptible to being colonized ideologically by a foreign empire. For example, Ursula and Annalena, each belongs to category (1) and category (2) respectively.
Blinken：If you're not at the table in the international system, you're going to be on the menu.
He copied Kenyan president William ruto's statement
Such cruel and evil words.
@@karlmin8471true and advisable words*
Time for all of us to start eating Chinese food
Blinker seems naive his table isn't that visible outside of DC or Ukraine. His menu must be very limited.. things that others do not desire anymore like the safe and effective
To be an enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.
It is essential for Germany to keep distance from its Warmonger big brother .
Troll
Well said. The current USs economical conditions says it all..
@@aslammighty8835The Chinese economy is in recession, the US is not 😂
@@electron6825 even with negitive 34 trillions dollars??? China has invested its money globally especially in poor countries and making todays Billions of Dollars. China means Business and no wars. Whereas US economy is suffering today due to non-stops on going wars.
@@electron6825 laughing emoji doesn’t mean you are right
Honestly speaking *Germany* *UK* and *Japan* have no choice
Uk has favorites of USA
Same as the Philippines&S.Korea, only the lapdog of Uncle Sam
Terrible journalism
The question should be what is best for Germany? Not who to support or trade with?
If you think those questions are separable, then you need an economics class.
There will be ethnic Germans in Germany in 100 years so who cares?
Germany biggest export markets are United States ($153B), France ($120B), China ($109B), Netherlands ($109B), and Italy ($90.7B).😅
@@Kingofthehill84china has once again become Germany’s number one trading partner
@@Kingofthehill84US is having trade 700 billion dollars annual trade but US wants to stifle Germany China trade
Why would Germany need to take a side? You guys are sick.
Because the US said so .
If you are not with them , then you are against them .
It's a bullies strategy, but it works until everyone turns against you .
Right, realpolitik and trade diversity!
Germany already chose a side..
They are just telling: „Don’t choose China.“
不是有病，是德国没有选择，领土有美国驻军的那一刻，德国的国家主权就不再完整，外交就不再独立。所以答案很简单：德国会永远站队美国，因为德国的后背有美国人的机枪。
Germany is a country without a unified view,
the Foreign Minister and the Minister of Finance are not in the same political party as the Chancellor,
Scholz and German companies want to do business with China, the CEO of Benz, BMW, they all go to China this time,
And there's a U.S. military presence in Germany, so in fact, it is very difficult for Germany to have a unified policy and attitude towards China.
no its just a country with lack of sovreignity
@@r3dpowel796 sovreignity problem is the root cause , you are right .
Those CEOs will be changing their tune just like all the others as China replaces all the products they build in China and disadvantages them in every possible way. They're stuck for now and have to play nice until they can replace those operations elsewhere. Just open your eyes and admit you've been taken for a ride and then thrown on the dustheap of economic miracles. All to save a few bucks and undermine your own workers.
That is what a Democracy sometimes looks like
That sounds great, like a working democracy with multiple oppinions and differentiated decisions.
germany should do the right thing for its own people and not do what england and the Us want(again)😡
Nah u should. That's what u guys want from india😂😂
US is having trade 700 billion dollars annual trade but US wants to stifle Germany China trade
Democracy and freedom, like England and USA is the best for the people. Totalitarian tyranny, like China and Russia, is only hostile and harmful to the people. The free world is best for the german people.
😆is that a joke from citizen of vessel states
Maybe grow some balls and make decisions based on the interests of the German people? Not be overly concerned about what everyone else wants and thinks. A friend of all is a friend of none.
The interests of the German people is democracy and freedom. Not dictatorship and tyranny. Being a part of the free world, is in the interests of the German people.
But Vassal freedom = length of dog leash
@@hkonhelgesenthat doesn’t mean we Europeans need to be American puppets. Enough is enough
@hkonhelgesen Germany is banning people from entering (Gaza surgeon og Greece x finance ministers), and you're denying them the right to protest or even speak about what they have witnessed. What democracy are you talking about?? You're halfway to Gestapo-land already.
@@hkonhelgesen you forgot another desire of every decent german . to be 100 percent independent without interference from ther countries (USA included)
The lesson is quite simple:
“U$A vassal” == “Bad economy”
Politicians focus on geopolitics for the benefit of their masters rather than economy for the benefit of the people.
The EU and thus Germany is not a vassal state. Unlike most African countries are slave to Russia.
Troll
Nonsense
And this is all you learned from Beijing University? Pathetic.
Become a Chinese vassal instead 😂
Which side is Germany on, you asked.
The side where your bread is buttered, Genius..
😂😂😂😂
Why Germany has to take side. I think Germany is an independent country. So, they can be neutral and do what is the best for their own people.✌🏼🇩🇪✌🏽
Germany ceased to exist after WW2, but now a state of the U.S , just like Japan 😂
True
Can’t agree more. Ppl have been brainwashed on this siding thing. The hope of having china becoming a western style democracy is pure illusional with imperialistic mindset. Why can the west become more something else? There shouldn’t be a single system at all. Otherwise the whole world becomes an authoritarian world holistically. Be yourself and be responsible for your citizens. That’s it
An independent country that cannot ask why US blew its lifeline pipe under sea.😂😂😂😂
Independent puppet 😮
China's subsidised products? Which one? EV cars? Is US not subsidising EV made in the US now?
The US is spending epic amounts of money on its military and arms manufacturers, far more than China. Everyone knows that arms spending is thinly disguised subsidising of US manufacturers since the US army does not purchase at market prices.
China's subsidies are on the level of it's own and you know it. As they said here, many of these EV companies are kept artificially afloat by chinese government, even if they don't make any profit and have a huge overcapacity. You would never see that level of subsidies in the west.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 where does the subsidy come from? if China subsidizes its EV cars with huge money, then it means that it has to tax a lot on other products, which makes other products expensive in the market. Have you seen that? The Chinese products are overall competitive not because subsidy or any kind of government intervention but because Chinese people learn from the trade with the advanced ecomomies and works hard like Germany did before.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 overcapacity?? we sell over 90% cars in local market, the only over capacity of this world is dollar.
Exactly. Everyone knows who is the king of hypocrisy.
Why does a country need to choose only one side? Why not both?
Because US is forcing everyone one to take a side in its attempt to create a new Cold War.
Because the US won’t tolerate that, nor should they.
Because they've been doing so for the past 2 decades and what has it led to? An emboldened wolf warrior China making territorial grabs in the South China Sea with its 9-10 dash line. Russia initiating a "special military operation" to conquer its neighbour, Ukraine. High economic growth requires a stable geo-political environment. You can't have that when your Authoritarian trading partners are making irrational decisions that tank everyone's economy.
@@zackvu7283 And not only that, but even in terms of pure economic interest, if a Europe led by Germany were to stand with the US to demand an end to China’s confiscatory trade policies, then Beijing would likely have to accede, which maybe wouldn’t be as big a deal for Germany as for the rest of the EU (Germany seems the only western economy capable of avoiding huge trade deficits with China, tho they are growing), it would indeed be a huge move for European growth as a whole, which does benefit Germany.
that's the easy conclusion...if you're a 3 year old.
The host: The US economy is doing far better than the Chinese economy. Seriously? We live in parallel universe?
America's junk American debt has soared to 35 trillion, and gold is rising. Everyone is abandoning the dollar.
Maybe not far better, but it is doing better
Sorry but it is
It is by rapidly consuming credit of dollar hegemony with 4.5% interest rate and 2T printing every year.
@@Cotswolds1913Hmm a 2.5% growth in gdp vs a 5.2% growth and you tell me US is doing better?
If Germany only have the free will to choose…
They have. But China want to choose for them.
China should reciprocate trade laws/regulations with Germany. Same rules, applied exactly. That would work well
Germany is now competing directly with China in EVs and other higher end manufacturing. Do you want Germany to choose China over Germany?
@@Djamonja 독일의 주인인 미국이 중국을 선택하길 바라지 않을거다
Absolutely they lost it once they lost WW2
Germany should be on its own side. Period. Every country should be on its own side. Reject coercive request to choose side between two superpowers.
sure, because any country, specially one that is not one of the 2 major super powers can do well just on its own. stupidity has no limits really.
Sorry Germany gave that up. When it lost the WW2 😂 It's now a vassal state atleast when coming to geopolitics.
US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on?
Me: Last time or now?
The wrong side by German as always
Which side does Germany should side on with? I think Germany should think more currency instead of country on actions. That would benefit for their own people. Only economic can helps nation go through the tough years at present. War will created hate and trouble historically.
@@SamXu I totally agree, Germany should NOT be the puppet of USA.
How about Germany just be its own side instead of picking between US and China?
We Africa will see where Germany and Europe will get there resources to make the battery
in northern europe.
We Africa? There is no unified Africa. Why are you lying?
Afghanistan has the largest lithium deposits in the world and you know they will sell to anyone.
@@reallyhappenings5597No... Those are in Chile and China.
Not Africa. china has had Russia send mercenaries to take over the mines in Africa.
The title cracked me up hard. Nice try pretending to be a sovereign nation Germany.
Best wording of our universally shared reaction to this video.
The last time Germany tried to choose its own path its pipeline mysteriously blew up.
Why does Germany need to choose a side? just do what is best for your people!
Oh, no, the US does not allow it
The answer to this question will largely dictate how interested the US is in NATO and Europe in the future.
This is about Germany and continue to make tragic strategic errors. The best thing Germany has going for it is its technology and letting China steal it will put Germany at a disadvantage globally. Brazil made this error and lost its value added manufacturing. Now they only have agriculture and raw materials.
@@chillxxx241 what did you mean by the Brazil example ? ;-;
Can you please elaborate ? 😅
Not sure Europeans should go relying on authoritarian dictatorships to fill the US void.
It goes both ways. If Americans elect Trump and side with Russia, then Europe should encourage China to do whatever the h*** they want.
@@chillxxx241every developing countries went through the same process! Did Japan steal American technology or is Vietnam stealing from China now with many factories and technology transfers from China to Vietnam!
🇩🇪 Interest first, no side
And do you think America is a fair trade country?😂 keep Europe poor and American rich.
Germany should be on Germany's side. And max on the EU's side. Period.
China is not on german side. USA is on the german side. Because share common interest in democracy and freedom.
that's the problem. each one just caring about themselves at the present time. just do what's bets for me right now. who cares about consequences, about human rights about whatever as long as we make more money? human evolution is going backwards. not many sapiens sapiens by now.
@@hkonhelgesen US and Germany values in democracy and freedom?
Are you really sure about that?
If you are doing business in a rule of jungle city, you don’t go against the will of the gangster which protects you. As the lady said, for security Germany has no choice. The fact is Germany has been militarily occupied by US since WWII. The commons don’t feel much but the guys at the top know what’s is the aftermath of going against the US on important matters. Don’t be naive. Until you can protect yourself, you are at the mercy of your protectors.
@@hkonhelgesen中国不会让德国站队
我们希望德国有自主权，多为自己考虑就行了。
团结的欧洲对中国有好处
自主的德国对中国有好处
"Like a scared child in a room full of strangers, Germany felt alone if Uncle Sam was not holding its hand." European Council of Foreign Relations - The Art of Vassalisation
This argument started when sanctions went up against ruzzia. Kreml troll factory desperately trying to work an angle.. and failing :D
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 this is the title of an article written by a think tank sponsored by EU
@@ThiagoGrez Lets see it.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 Did you read the article?
Germany should be it's side first - taking care of it's production and sales before considering any other competitors, including China. By the way, this means as well not to sell any German infrastructure, e.g. parts of a habour, to any foreign company, including China.
Germany is a us vassal
Germany alone is weak but together as Europe we are strong 💪 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
Still not as strong as US and China.
good luck with russia
Growth cannot go on for ever, best to slow down and concentrate on the quality of life, culture etc.
"US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on?" this raises the question of oligophrenics or for oligophrenics. What this means ? that Germany has to choose between two masters? Since when did Germany become such a servant? Why doesn't Germany have its side, its interest as a nation? Things are very simple, China has cheap resources from Russia, Germany has expensive resources for the sake of its master, the US. It is not difficult to figure out what the real problems are. The most serious problem is that through NATO, Germany has ceded its sovereignty to the US, so "Slava Ukraina" until you starve. This is what happens when you elect leaders who betray their nation
The question would be, can US (34triilion debts) give Germany or EU substantial cheap energy? Cheap rare material? Uranium ? Infrastructure ? A big Market ? And Prosperity ? Think thrice ...
the only question is: does Germany want to go towards democracy or tyranny
@@bullpup1337 why trade and economy has to do with ideology ? Are you sure US is a democracy? The west has trade with non democracy nations since 50's so why the big deal?
China’s 56 trillions into debt lol and it’s population it’s shrinking rapidly
@@bullpup1337👈🤡
@@bullpup1337perks of democracy buddy, you can choose whatever path you want to take, who are you to tell other countries what to do? Lol
One thing for sure . Germany is always on the wrong side - ww2 , israel , ukrain , US .... the list is very long
Germany is on the side of Germany. What is wrong with DW? trying to sell Germany?
germany is already sold.
you think they'll let DW exist if the owner didn't kiss the ring?
Germany should stay neutral.😃😃😃
China will be condemned by the USA to keep its #1 position as the largest economy EVEN if China becomes a democracy. The USA did the same to Japan when its economy was rising and will do the same to India, in the future, when competing for #2 slot.
Exactly😀
Google search shows Germany an independent country and not US state no 51.....is google correct or incorrect? Please guide.
United we stand. Divided we fall. Germany and USA share common interest against the empire. The benefit from standing united. In stead of obeying the communist divide and conquer agenda.
is Germany a sovereign country?
is Japan a sovereign country?
is Italy a sovereign country?
is South Korea a sovereign country?
None is
😢 none
Guys. Don't you see how pathetic this is? Even the powerful germany sees itself having to take 'sides'... This really tells me that the time of europe in the world is gone.
when you don't have a choice, asking that question makes you feel like you do.
Do I smell another Gerhard Schroeder out there?
One famous American president said ,always keep Russia out and Germany down. So u see it was not a war to down size Russia alone.
why don't you mention the name of the 'famous American president'?
@@user_ar6332 Because it wasn't a US president. The quote is about the role of Nato: 'Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down. Those were the words of a Briton name Hastings Ismay, Nato's first secretary general.
That was in 1949. Times change.
Germany is not a child, why does it have to choose one or the other?
That's exactly the type of thinking that has resulted in present-day Germany. How's that working out?
Like u guys ask to india Why not Germany?
Germany is not a child . It is a vassal state lol
because the ppl are redacted and most of west incapable to accept that someone else has power, leading to smear campaigns against an uprising superpower and overextended wars and inflation. It is always the same. since rome.
Because we lost the war........
Why don't you look at what you buy and see how much of it is made in China? Why not just stop buying? I will give you the simple answer: you can't because you have no way of competing.
Standing in between but not siding with a country, considering economy without politics...do business with all parties....
At least China never bombe your natural gas pipelines 😂
This is the problem actually.
Russia did.
@@hkonhelgesen 😱
😆Grow a spine , learn from Malaysia.
"We will not pick a quarrel with China for U$."
‘We do not have a problem with China’: Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim.
Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim says if Western countries have problems with China "they should not impose it upon us".
Mr Ibrahim insisted that Malaysia can be friends with both China and the West.
"We are an independent nation, we are fiercely independent, we do not want to be dictated by any force," Mr Ibrahim said.
"So it remains to be an important friend to the US and Europe and here in Australia. They should not preclude us from being friendly to one of our important neighbours, precisely China.
"If they have problems with China, they should not impose it upon us.
China's economy is totally dependent on the trade with the west. If that goes, China goes.
Germany should be neither on china or usa side, but its own side
On your side = enemy of America
Over capacity, 100+ EV car makers.... isn't it the product of free market economy?
90% sold in CHinese market, unlike german car makers. 70% sold in foreign countries. which is the real over capacity
If Germany is smart, it will be on its own side
Germany has basically lagged behind in innovation and quality. They are charging German prices for Chinese reliability. That's why BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen have been shitboxes for years and their sales have been affected as compared to Japanese counterparts.
This is American News channel?! Fox3
As always, on the wrong side of history.
‘Which side is Germany on?’
The side of germany’s daddy (US).
Vassal states cant have independent strategic autonomy. Simple.
Europeans thought they were ripping off China... hehe well... did Europe learnt its lesson? Or is still sunk on the idea that they are "very smart" and they can go around the world doing as they please?
The answer to the question is quite obvious, unfortunately not only for Germany but also for western european nations, with roots dating back to the end of the 2nd WW and the Bretton Woods Agreement. Independent of that, they cannot ignore China.
It should be on the side of maximizing the interests of Germany and the German people.
Uncle Sam will be watching in anger
Hey considering how trump is undermining the US. How can the US be mad?
If trump was in jail now, that certainly be a different story to a degree.
Scholds is odd guy🎭
Uncle Sam just shot himself in the bottock by betraying Ukraine and undermining the trust Europe had in the US.
Military protection is now not longer an argument for Europe to play softball in any trade deals.
Uncle Sam, the guy responsible for the prosperity of Germany in the 1st place
USA made system happen. USA paid for it. You dont bite the hand that feeds.
Who is the US to tell Germany what they should do or not? 😂, why so controlling? Lol
We aren't telling Germany what to do. Where are you getting that from?
@@bsmithhammer US told Germany to get rid of Huawei at a huge cost to Germany. This is just one example.
@@LCCATCX We strongly recommended that they do so, we didn't "tell them to do it." That's not how it works. And ditching Huawei is absolutely a smart idea.
@@bsmithhammerits an ultimatum. US tells Germany what to do
@@bsmithhammer Germany didn't throw away billions based on someone's "recommendation". Germany is a modern first world country. They don't need another country to remind them there is a risk. They are quite capable of assessing it themselves. After WWII Japan and Germany had to obey whatever the US "recommended". The whole world can see it. I hope you are not playing dumb just try to win an argument here.
lol, stop pretending Germany has a choice.
I think that it would be in the best interest of the German people (not necessarily for the entrenched German political class) for Germany to not align with one side over the other, but rather to adopt a foreign policy that maximizes flexibility to adopt policy decisions on an issue-by-issue basis. Germany should be friendly to both China and the USA and not rhetorically tie itself to one or the other. Of course the problem is that the overbearing USA will not allow Germany (or any other country) to pursue this most rational of policies--the USA demands that one is "with the USA" or "against the USA".
'overbearing USA' is a view from Germany. USA is committed to expending soldiers' lives and to sacrificing its population centers in nuclear exchange, in order to protect Germany if it is threatened.
Germany is similarly committed to protecting Poland and Baltics. How would it sound to Germany if those countries wanted to stay neutral, not take Germany's side, and to have normal relationship with an enemy of Germany for their own sake? How does Germany feel about Hungary actively undermining European security currently?
If China can catch up after lagging behind for over 100 yrs, there is no excuse for Germany not to catch up!!
The real question is what future does Germany have if they do not choose China and BRICS as trading partners but join the US is recession and hyperinflation.
Which side is Germany need not be questioned. It will be on US side.
Haha, Germany, free yourself form cheap Russian energy, and free yourself from cheap Chinese inputs and lucrative Chinese market, and you will free yourself from prosperity.
Felix be saying one thing over and over again, Bro we heard the overcapacity point please move on and say something else.😂😂
% of the cars produced are exported.
Germany: 75%
South Korea: 70%
Japan: 50%
China: 15%
US saying to allies: Look, China has overcapacity, why not tax them?🤣
😌As Australian, I've seen more and more BYD EVs in Sydney. These EVs are really competitive in terms of both price and quality👌, and they provide more choices to Aussies. I can't find a reason for rejecting those competitive cars.
Germany never read Henry Kissinger memo: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
Ha ha ha rediculas US economy is doing better than China??? who taught you guys math 2.5% is better than 5.2% ha ha.... what happened you guys? are you ok?
Germany wants to be on the side of where it makes money so it can continue to feed its people, but its master is telling it to bite which enemy its master is facing.
Chinese view every relationship as "master or vassal"., to them you're one, or the other. Are you paying attention Germany?
@@icu17siberia That isn’t true, they let North Korea form alliances with their enemies
Is DW funded by US? I thought it was German national TV, wasn’t it?
As a Chinese, I never thought that one day the west media will dicuss something like the Europe need to catch up with China. Things have changed.
Well, first China steals western tech, then becomes a manufacturing hub for everything and uses the money to develop on top of that stolen tech with the dictatorial efficiency the guests talked about here as well, but don't worry, power balance is on constant flux and will balance itself out sooner or later.
germanyt should have their own side.
germany is an american colony
Based on what?
@@Cotswolds1913 Russian bot bro
Germany is it own country not a American colony
Germany is a defeated nation in the second world War and today it depends on the US for its security. So it's clear that it should be careful with it's relationship with the US all the more when there is a US base in its land.
@@user-ui2ox4ux3z Do you guys get paid for every comment made, or how does it work? Genuinely interested
No to TikTok. No to BYD. That is the beginning.
Germany is already just as much at odds with China over trade imbalances and the sudden shift in automobile, tool, and automation machinery reciprocity in trade.
China struggling with 5% growth. 😂
Real-word estimates of its growth last year are more in the 2-3% range.
@@Cotswolds1913 Yea sure, the Chinese growth has always been a bluff, they are collapsing as usual.
And German 2023 GDP growth was -0.3%! The Chinese are so envious! (Not)
China has much to gain in growth. That's why western companies can't leave China and India. That's were the profit is. These companies even give their technology away to be in China. Tesla cars are being replicated by other Chinese companies. Like 60% of the population doesn't drive a car in China, so there's a lot to gain.
@@Cotswolds1913 we have been collapsing for 40 years😂, satisfied now?
Maintaining trade with both countries will be essential and investing in future technologies. Exactly ike it was said in the end.
Ambiguity.
German come + go with Zelensky,, China go with Russia
Ah yes, Germany's "pragmatic" appeasement of Putin worked so well last time. What a joke.
I never heard China, telling us to govern like them. It's always us telling the rest of the world how to behave.
Germany don't need to choose any side, as far as it helps the countries economy!